This thread is inspired in part due to the recent allegations against Lawrence Krauss. I am still unsure whether he did something grievously wrong, but I noticed that Jerry Coyne "dissociated" himself from Krauss, and Sam Harris, although linking to Coyne's piece, has effectively remained on the fence.
I was thinking that there is an expectation that public figures condemn the failings of allies and in some cases sever all ties, but obviously not all wrongdoing is the same. And also, not all relationships among allies is the same. When we are friends with someone accused of something wrong, there may be a bias in terms of what we are willing to believe. Lawrence Krauss, for example, appears to be unwilling to believe the worst of Jeff Epstein. On the other hand, at perhaps the other end of the scale, some friends of Louis CK may be willing to give him a pass for his impromptu masturbation even though they accept it really did happen.
As for Lawrence Krauss himself, (or even Al Franken) it may be that these two happened to do something wrong (they may have groped women) or made some off-colour jokes, which is pretty sleazy behaviour, but which friends may not want to sever ties over.
So, I was wondering what the limits are of the posters here? What could you put up with in a friend and still maintain a friendship, however depleted? At what point would you decide that you can no longer be friends.
You can choose as many as you think applicable, although please read carefully as not all of them are crimes, and some of them I am asking to gauge attitudes.
And just to pre-empt any questions of "What?!!?? Do you think there is something wrong with being LGBT or something?" No, not at all. I am merely asking it because I think that not that long ago it could have led to severed friendships.
Anyway, please feel free to add comments and opinions as well.
I was thinking that there is an expectation that public figures condemn the failings of allies and in some cases sever all ties, but obviously not all wrongdoing is the same. And also, not all relationships among allies is the same. When we are friends with someone accused of something wrong, there may be a bias in terms of what we are willing to believe. Lawrence Krauss, for example, appears to be unwilling to believe the worst of Jeff Epstein. On the other hand, at perhaps the other end of the scale, some friends of Louis CK may be willing to give him a pass for his impromptu masturbation even though they accept it really did happen.
As for Lawrence Krauss himself, (or even Al Franken) it may be that these two happened to do something wrong (they may have groped women) or made some off-colour jokes, which is pretty sleazy behaviour, but which friends may not want to sever ties over.
So, I was wondering what the limits are of the posters here? What could you put up with in a friend and still maintain a friendship, however depleted? At what point would you decide that you can no longer be friends.
You can choose as many as you think applicable, although please read carefully as not all of them are crimes, and some of them I am asking to gauge attitudes.
And just to pre-empt any questions of "What?!!?? Do you think there is something wrong with being LGBT or something?" No, not at all. I am merely asking it because I think that not that long ago it could have led to severed friendships.
Anyway, please feel free to add comments and opinions as well.
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