Since I was stoned and bored but my account here was suspended, I went and wandered around on Wikipedia a bit and somehow ended up on the article of the plane that never stops giving, the Su-25. On the talk page I noticed a recent discussion (start reading from about 1/3rd of the way through, starting with the 10 feb 2018 reply by user Santamoly and the resulting discussion) and the theory being peddled on it by the admins (Acroterion et al).
Santamoly asks why the flight ceiling has been lowered in the article from 10km to 7km when plenty of believable sources support the original figure. The admins then come up with bizarre theories about how the ceiling was actually "raised ex post facto" by the Russians after a July 2014 crash to "manipulate Wikipedia". Yep, you heard that right, apparently the Russians traveled back in time to raise the ceiling retroactively.
What happened next was pretty revealing, after Santamoly asked for some support for the theory of the ceiling being raised ex post facto, the admins started to threaten Santamoly with sanctions and blocks if he disputes or discusses their theory any further. The user was then indeed blocked for disputing it.[*] What's interesting is that the admins claimed to be doing all this on the authority of the Arbitration Committee, the highest level of Wikipedia. I then brought it up on the notice boards and was quickly blocked for disputing the theory there. Especially the combination of how bizarre the CT is (Russians traveling back in time to "raise the ceiling ex post facto") combined with ArbCom authorizing the blocking of anyone disputing the theory, either on the article's talk page or on the dispute resolution boards, makes for a really interesting situation. So I started digging, and it turns out that comments actually debunking the theory are simply removed from the talk page altogether and various other eyebrow-raising issues.
I've sent an email to the ArbCom mailing list informing them of the situation. My money is on that they'll stick to their "time traveling Russians did it" theory and the blocking and/or removing comments of anyone disputing, let alone debunking, it. I wonder why they're so quiet about it though, I'd have thought this would be a historic occasion: The first discovery of a Russian time agent.
The article has always had a flight ceiling of 7,000 meters and 23,000 feet, we have always been at war with Eurasia.
* ETA, as one of the admins supporting the block there said: "You only have to look at the entire history of the Su25 article, and then what happened after July 2014, to see exactly what the problem is." Remember kids, always call their bluff ;)
Santamoly asks why the flight ceiling has been lowered in the article from 10km to 7km when plenty of believable sources support the original figure. The admins then come up with bizarre theories about how the ceiling was actually "raised ex post facto" by the Russians after a July 2014 crash to "manipulate Wikipedia". Yep, you heard that right, apparently the Russians traveled back in time to raise the ceiling retroactively.
What happened next was pretty revealing, after Santamoly asked for some support for the theory of the ceiling being raised ex post facto, the admins started to threaten Santamoly with sanctions and blocks if he disputes or discusses their theory any further. The user was then indeed blocked for disputing it.[*] What's interesting is that the admins claimed to be doing all this on the authority of the Arbitration Committee, the highest level of Wikipedia. I then brought it up on the notice boards and was quickly blocked for disputing the theory there. Especially the combination of how bizarre the CT is (Russians traveling back in time to "raise the ceiling ex post facto") combined with ArbCom authorizing the blocking of anyone disputing the theory, either on the article's talk page or on the dispute resolution boards, makes for a really interesting situation. So I started digging, and it turns out that comments actually debunking the theory are simply removed from the talk page altogether and various other eyebrow-raising issues.
I've sent an email to the ArbCom mailing list informing them of the situation. My money is on that they'll stick to their "time traveling Russians did it" theory and the blocking and/or removing comments of anyone disputing, let alone debunking, it. I wonder why they're so quiet about it though, I'd have thought this would be a historic occasion: The first discovery of a Russian time agent.
The article has always had a flight ceiling of 7,000 meters and 23,000 feet, we have always been at war with Eurasia.
* ETA, as one of the admins supporting the block there said: "You only have to look at the entire history of the Su25 article, and then what happened after July 2014, to see exactly what the problem is." Remember kids, always call their bluff ;)
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