Found a very strange NDE case that I haven’t really seen tackled anywhere. I don’t personally feel NDE’s are super compelling because of cross cultural differences and that the “Greyson” scale basically seems to push NDEs towards a certain themes vs seeing if NDEs are different, and I think at the very most a believer might be able to argue that some are not hallucinations (some of them seem to think all NDEs brain explanations have been debunked, but it’s prolly a combination of multiple elements, considering psychedelics can all give a very similar effect to an NDE)
Originally I thought the Pam reynold case was one of the most convincing but seeing fls debate it and seeing how the researchers for the case (who allegedly contacted the doctors) weren’t exactly perfect unbiased researchers, I think there’s reasonable doubt to say it’s definitely not full proof
But I found another NDE case by lynnclaire Dennis which, somewhat seems compelling but also seems really woo and crazyland, and I don’t know how to explain.
The majority of the NDE is pretty standard stuff, but then she allegedly saw a pattern in her NDE that had some crazy mathematical significance. What’s compelling is that after showing this pattern to a few professors, some of them a bit distinguished like Louis Kauffman (obviously no Stephen hawking but not an idiot either), they’ve been studying it for awhile
Eventually they made a thing called the mereon matrix in a book (she released multiple books, but she + other professors made a book called the mereon matrix)
Normally I’d write it off as BS, and the pattern itself is hardly anything mind boggling (it’s some weird knot theory thing). but the fact that it had been researched by a bunch of professors makes it a bit odd, since I don’t see why they would study nonsense. It got published in a scientific journal called Elsevier, which isn’t the greatest iirc but more credible than a parapsychology journal (although sometimes crap gets filled in and thereve been scandals).
However, some of the points they make seem levels beyond levels of crazy, and it obviously hasn’t gained scientific acceptance or traction whatsoever, which is odd considering her near death experience made it seem her discovery was gonna be hugely important, despite it being relatively unknown still.
The main reason I find this compelling is that, to my knowledge this is the only NDE I know of where a person came back with “scientific knowledge”, although it’s been extremely exaggerated, and it seems to be backed up by at least a few credible researchers, and she hasn’t been caught in fraud yet.
In terms of things that make me doubt this story.
The timeline is a bit odd. NDE happens in a hot air balloon in 1987, allegedly pronounced dead and all that stuff, and either more NDE or just “dreams” in 1991 and 1993, but I’ve heard that she was pronounced dead at the hospital and revived, or that she was resuscitated by her husband. Also, 10 years is more than enough time to learn more about what she saw in terms in terms of learning about the science of it. Finally, her being the only person to bring back knowledge for an NDE (there was another guy that Kenneth Ring and PMH Atwater endorse, but he was proven to be a fraud and got sued a bunch) and for it to be something as strange and vague as it is is very questionable and might just be a remarkable coincidence (it’s not as if the shape is this absurd thing, it looks like a pretty typical drawing someone does when trying to make a cool shape, WHATS itneretsing is that the professors found it so compelling)
Finally, that mereon matrix theorem she and her researchers have spent so much time working on have gotten so little traction you can’t even find a sliver of it on Wikipedia, unless you look up the authors, then it shows up as a tidbit on their published works. I haven’t really found a critique on it because I don’t think anyone smart enough would slog their way through it, and obviously I’m not asking anyone to read it because it’s a lot and clearly didn’t leave a big impression to be influential
Just wondering if anyone knew about this or could debunk it more lol, it does make me feel uneasy altho it’s far from full proof.
Originally I thought the Pam reynold case was one of the most convincing but seeing fls debate it and seeing how the researchers for the case (who allegedly contacted the doctors) weren’t exactly perfect unbiased researchers, I think there’s reasonable doubt to say it’s definitely not full proof
But I found another NDE case by lynnclaire Dennis which, somewhat seems compelling but also seems really woo and crazyland, and I don’t know how to explain.
The majority of the NDE is pretty standard stuff, but then she allegedly saw a pattern in her NDE that had some crazy mathematical significance. What’s compelling is that after showing this pattern to a few professors, some of them a bit distinguished like Louis Kauffman (obviously no Stephen hawking but not an idiot either), they’ve been studying it for awhile
Eventually they made a thing called the mereon matrix in a book (she released multiple books, but she + other professors made a book called the mereon matrix)
Normally I’d write it off as BS, and the pattern itself is hardly anything mind boggling (it’s some weird knot theory thing). but the fact that it had been researched by a bunch of professors makes it a bit odd, since I don’t see why they would study nonsense. It got published in a scientific journal called Elsevier, which isn’t the greatest iirc but more credible than a parapsychology journal (although sometimes crap gets filled in and thereve been scandals).
However, some of the points they make seem levels beyond levels of crazy, and it obviously hasn’t gained scientific acceptance or traction whatsoever, which is odd considering her near death experience made it seem her discovery was gonna be hugely important, despite it being relatively unknown still.
The main reason I find this compelling is that, to my knowledge this is the only NDE I know of where a person came back with “scientific knowledge”, although it’s been extremely exaggerated, and it seems to be backed up by at least a few credible researchers, and she hasn’t been caught in fraud yet.
In terms of things that make me doubt this story.
The timeline is a bit odd. NDE happens in a hot air balloon in 1987, allegedly pronounced dead and all that stuff, and either more NDE or just “dreams” in 1991 and 1993, but I’ve heard that she was pronounced dead at the hospital and revived, or that she was resuscitated by her husband. Also, 10 years is more than enough time to learn more about what she saw in terms in terms of learning about the science of it. Finally, her being the only person to bring back knowledge for an NDE (there was another guy that Kenneth Ring and PMH Atwater endorse, but he was proven to be a fraud and got sued a bunch) and for it to be something as strange and vague as it is is very questionable and might just be a remarkable coincidence (it’s not as if the shape is this absurd thing, it looks like a pretty typical drawing someone does when trying to make a cool shape, WHATS itneretsing is that the professors found it so compelling)
Finally, that mereon matrix theorem she and her researchers have spent so much time working on have gotten so little traction you can’t even find a sliver of it on Wikipedia, unless you look up the authors, then it shows up as a tidbit on their published works. I haven’t really found a critique on it because I don’t think anyone smart enough would slog their way through it, and obviously I’m not asking anyone to read it because it’s a lot and clearly didn’t leave a big impression to be influential
Just wondering if anyone knew about this or could debunk it more lol, it does make me feel uneasy altho it’s far from full proof.
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