[Split Thread] Al Qaeda, ISIS, Western imperialism

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Originally Posted by Michel H (Post 12910436) I do not know if there was any actual contact or relation between the Islamic State and Khan (perhaps not). Nevertheless, it seems to me Western policies based on expansionism, illegal invasions, sanctions, censorship and massive killing of militants are perhaps not exactly the best method to make many friends in the Islamic world. Perhaps there was indeed some kind of relationship between these policies and Khan's undoubtedly violent action.

This is historically ignorant twaddle.

First, do you know the first war that the United States engaged in, after our war of independence? It wasn't an expansionist one. Look it up, it's interesting.

Second, you've got to be kidding me with the censorship angle. The West is so vastly less censorious than the Islamic world that it's not even funny. Unless you're claiming that we're insuficiently censorious, but they can **** off and die on that topic.

Third, in case you haven't noticed, Islam itself is fundamentally expansionist. And it frequently expands at swordpoint. The Islamists aren't opposed to violent conquest, they only object if they're not the ones doing it. The Islamic world has bloody borders, even today, and not just in the west.

Fourth, have you ever heard of a man by the name of Sayyid Qutb? He's one of the founders of modern radical Islam. You know what his grievances against the West were? He got his panties in a bunch about decadent westerners because of stuff like a church dance. Our basic culture (and not even the current one, 1950's American culture) was offensively hedonistic and sinful to him.

Political Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western liberalism. Violent conflict is inevitable. Not because of what we do, but because of who we are. Our very existence serves as a corrupting force, from their viewpoint. And they aren't wrong, in the sense that our prosperity and freedom can seduce people away from strict adherence to Islam. Unless you give up that prosperity and freedom, you cannot ever hope to appease them.

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