Hi.
I was wondering about these so-called "genocide conspiracy" theories, especially the one that the Western governments, or the Jews, or whatever are conspiring to genocide "white people" (though I've also seem theories that governments, Jews, etc. are conspiring to genocide black people and other groups, too). This particular claim asserts that somehow, "massive non-white immigration and forced assimilation" of non-white people into "white countries" constitutes such a genocide, which of course by the definition of genocide would have to imply someone is deliberately orchestrating it to that end. And the theorists and claimants may, when pressed, point to "liberal" Western governments or Jews as the culprit.
So I have some questions about this (I've mentioned it in threads here before, but these are some questions I don't think I've asked about it yet):
1. Is there even such a thing as genocide by immigration? That is, where relatively peaceful movement of people from one part of the world to another constitutes a deliberate effort to destroy a racial or ethnic group in the part of the world that is the target of their movement? Are there any examples in history of such a genocide being carried out? Note that I'd distinguish between immigration and invasion as well: that is, where a nation or nations use force of arms and war to enter into a territory against the will of whatever polity is in control of it and displace ior kill its inhabitants. (ior = inclusive or) This excludes, for example, the European conquest of the Americas as a "genocide by immigration" of the natives. Also, are there any examples of a majority-led government waging a policy of genocide against its nation's own majority ethnic group?
2. What would it look like if a real genocide conspiracy were going on in one or more Western nations to "genocide white people"? What would be the most effective way that such a conspiracy could be pulled off? Would "massive non-white immigration and forced assimilation" be the most effective method? Especially if it is desired to do the genocide covertly? What would it be like for white people being subjected to the threat of such a thing, in a scenario where the threat were real (as opposed to merely being a fantasy in conspiracy theorists and far-right nationalists and hate groups' minds)?
3. Would there be any motivation for any group, such as the Jews, to carry out such a genocide, even in theory? Also, I find the claim with "Jews" doing it kind of funny. Couldn't a lot of Jews be considered "white"? Plus that somehow a huge ethnoreligious group could somehow work as a single conspiring unit. Also, I somehow doubt Jews would have that much control over immigration policy. Am I right? At least in the US, for something to go to law it has to be proposed and, debated, and voted on in Congress. I doubt that the majority of "Congresscritters" are Jews.
Add: I just looked it up. This was for the 2010 Congress:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members...tates_Congress
8.4% Jews. Even if all 8.4% unanimously agreed to pass some bill that would somehow initiate "white genocide", they'd still need another 41.6% of the Congress to vote "yea" to pass the bill, and finally the President would have to sign it into law. To overcome a veto, a further 24.4% would be required. It just don't seem to be happenin'. Now it could've been different in earlier times, but I'd doubt that they ever held a majority or super-majority, and for the rest to vote "yea" on it would seem to require the conspiracy extend beyond just Jews. Plus I've never heard of any evidence that Jews somehow could control everyone else there.
How is it in European countries? I suspect since many of them are more secular than the US, that would leave fewer Jews in charge, too.
Add: I found this one blog post about the UK:
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.c...f-commons.html
where it was said the UK House of Commons had 3.7% Jewish. So yeah, it's less, as I thought. Not sure about the rest of the gov't, but I'd be surprised if any part had a Jewish majority.
But, could there be a plausible hypothetical scenario, even if it is not true in the real world under which Jews could be genociding white people?
4. Is it even possible in theory to actually control the flow of immigration so as to make a genocide via it happen? While I know that immigration regulations in a country can reduce the amount of immigration into that country, is there any way that somehow people could be compelled to move from their country into this other one? It would seem such would require the conspiracy to extend to the source countries as well, to motivate them to emigrate e.g. by giving them a big fat check to make their move.
5. Am I right in thinking that a genocide by immigration would probably be the most expensive and least-certain way to achieve the supposed goal?
I was wondering about these so-called "genocide conspiracy" theories, especially the one that the Western governments, or the Jews, or whatever are conspiring to genocide "white people" (though I've also seem theories that governments, Jews, etc. are conspiring to genocide black people and other groups, too). This particular claim asserts that somehow, "massive non-white immigration and forced assimilation" of non-white people into "white countries" constitutes such a genocide, which of course by the definition of genocide would have to imply someone is deliberately orchestrating it to that end. And the theorists and claimants may, when pressed, point to "liberal" Western governments or Jews as the culprit.
So I have some questions about this (I've mentioned it in threads here before, but these are some questions I don't think I've asked about it yet):
1. Is there even such a thing as genocide by immigration? That is, where relatively peaceful movement of people from one part of the world to another constitutes a deliberate effort to destroy a racial or ethnic group in the part of the world that is the target of their movement? Are there any examples in history of such a genocide being carried out? Note that I'd distinguish between immigration and invasion as well: that is, where a nation or nations use force of arms and war to enter into a territory against the will of whatever polity is in control of it and displace ior kill its inhabitants. (ior = inclusive or) This excludes, for example, the European conquest of the Americas as a "genocide by immigration" of the natives. Also, are there any examples of a majority-led government waging a policy of genocide against its nation's own majority ethnic group?
2. What would it look like if a real genocide conspiracy were going on in one or more Western nations to "genocide white people"? What would be the most effective way that such a conspiracy could be pulled off? Would "massive non-white immigration and forced assimilation" be the most effective method? Especially if it is desired to do the genocide covertly? What would it be like for white people being subjected to the threat of such a thing, in a scenario where the threat were real (as opposed to merely being a fantasy in conspiracy theorists and far-right nationalists and hate groups' minds)?
3. Would there be any motivation for any group, such as the Jews, to carry out such a genocide, even in theory? Also, I find the claim with "Jews" doing it kind of funny. Couldn't a lot of Jews be considered "white"? Plus that somehow a huge ethnoreligious group could somehow work as a single conspiring unit. Also, I somehow doubt Jews would have that much control over immigration policy. Am I right? At least in the US, for something to go to law it has to be proposed and, debated, and voted on in Congress. I doubt that the majority of "Congresscritters" are Jews.
Add: I just looked it up. This was for the 2010 Congress:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members...tates_Congress
8.4% Jews. Even if all 8.4% unanimously agreed to pass some bill that would somehow initiate "white genocide", they'd still need another 41.6% of the Congress to vote "yea" to pass the bill, and finally the President would have to sign it into law. To overcome a veto, a further 24.4% would be required. It just don't seem to be happenin'. Now it could've been different in earlier times, but I'd doubt that they ever held a majority or super-majority, and for the rest to vote "yea" on it would seem to require the conspiracy extend beyond just Jews. Plus I've never heard of any evidence that Jews somehow could control everyone else there.
How is it in European countries? I suspect since many of them are more secular than the US, that would leave fewer Jews in charge, too.
Add: I found this one blog post about the UK:
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.c...f-commons.html
where it was said the UK House of Commons had 3.7% Jewish. So yeah, it's less, as I thought. Not sure about the rest of the gov't, but I'd be surprised if any part had a Jewish majority.
But, could there be a plausible hypothetical scenario, even if it is not true in the real world under which Jews could be genociding white people?
4. Is it even possible in theory to actually control the flow of immigration so as to make a genocide via it happen? While I know that immigration regulations in a country can reduce the amount of immigration into that country, is there any way that somehow people could be compelled to move from their country into this other one? It would seem such would require the conspiracy to extend to the source countries as well, to motivate them to emigrate e.g. by giving them a big fat check to make their move.
5. Am I right in thinking that a genocide by immigration would probably be the most expensive and least-certain way to achieve the supposed goal?
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