jeudi 17 octobre 2013

Countering racism. A paradox?

Hi.



I saw this:



http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bi...77f5aebf06976c




Quote:








Originally Posted by Josh

GMAN,



I like the way you collected the many definitions of "race" and ran them through the "centrifuge".



These are the 2 definitions I usually get from White people:





1.a classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on an arbitrary selection of physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.

2.a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.













based on an arbitrary selection of physical characteristics...




In a system of White supremacy, White people decide what is "arbitrary".




The implication of the highlighted bit seems to be that if you're white, and you say race is arbitrary, then you're racist. So what are you supposed to say to be good? If it's not arbitrary, then what is it? Is it biological? Isn't that racist? If it's not biological, then how is it not arbitrary? What non-arbitrary standard is there, then? Or can we not "exclude the middle" (either arbitrary or non-arbitrary) here? So how do you counter racism correctly?



http://www.counter-racism.com/cgi-bi...pic.php?t=1090




Quote:








Originally Posted by Edward Williams

Suggestion:

No Sexual Intercourse Between White People and Non-White People under the SYSTEM of racism (white supremacy).



Reason/Explanation:

The POWER dynamic of racism (mistreatment of people on the basis of color) produces white supremacy (white people being in a supreme position over the people they subject to their POWER) which is a difference of POWER between white people and non-white people which is equal to that of the difference in POWER between an adult and a child and/or equal to that of the difference in POWER to a slave master/slave owner and a slave and/or equal to that of the difference in POWER of a warden and a prisoner. It is misuse and/or an abuse of POWER of the most POWERFUL people in the known universe [white people] over the people they subject to their POWER [non-white people].




Yet does this mean that, paradoxically, to be non-racist you, if white, have to not marry non-whites and have children? (At least in America, since everyone who is a part of America is within that "SYSTEM" of oppression) But if I kept away from any relationships with non-whites, or I declined a marriage or sex because "you're not white" would seem... racist, and if I were to add it "you're not white" "so it'd be racist", it'd seem weird (and I'm not sure how well it'd go over)! How does this Paradox resolve? So "mixing" should never be allowed until racism is totally gone forever, which may not be for a very long time?





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