Hear ye! Hear ye! Here opens the case of Lots of People on the Internet vs. Donald Trump. No judge presiding, except the mod squad to keep things from going too far off the rails.
Ok. I don't know if this is going to work, or even whether the mods will allow it. What I want this thread to be is a discussion of strictly the legal issues that surround Donald Trump. Has he committed crimes for which he could, as a private citizen, be prosecuted and convicted? Has he committed high crimes and misdemeanors for which he could be impeached and convicted.
I put this in Trials and Errors because I want it to focus only on the legal issues, and not just become another "Trump Sucks" thread. If we can keep to that, this thread will be different from several others focusing on Trump and/or impeachment. If not, there's no point to it and the mods should shut it down.
So, please, stick to that narrow focus. Try to avoid discussion of whether Donald Trump is stupid, or insane, or senile. He could be all of those, but they aren't the topic. Try to avoid discussions of whether it is politically wise to pursue impeachment, indictment, or any other legal remedy. Try to be aware that no matter how bad a policy is, whether it be racist, or stupid, or likely to cause a war, or cruel, or many other things that are said about Trump and his policies, none of those things matter in this thread unless they are also criminal.
ETA: My original was way too long. Let me make a much more concise summary now.
I don't believe he has committed either an ordinary crime for which he could be prosecuted, or a "high crime and misdemeanor" which ought to result in Senate conviction in an impeachment trial. Try to convince me I'm wrong.
I will preview my arguments by saying that I don't think the examples given in the Mueller Report could ever be used to gain a conviction on Obstruction of Justice. Specifically, the usual problem would be in establishing "corrupt intent".
I have a lot more to say about this subject, and if you read the OP in the few minutes between the time I posted it and the time I wrote this edit, you've seen some of it. For the rest of you, I spared you the wall of text, but I'll explain my reasoning if this thread works the way I want it to.
"The way I want it to" means no discussion about whether Trump is stupid, dangerous, insane, or senile. No discussion about whether he or his policies suck. No discussion about the political expedience of pursuing or not pursuing impeachment. I want a narrow focus on the strictly legal issues. Otherwise, it's just another Trump thread.
Ok. I don't know if this is going to work, or even whether the mods will allow it. What I want this thread to be is a discussion of strictly the legal issues that surround Donald Trump. Has he committed crimes for which he could, as a private citizen, be prosecuted and convicted? Has he committed high crimes and misdemeanors for which he could be impeached and convicted.
I put this in Trials and Errors because I want it to focus only on the legal issues, and not just become another "Trump Sucks" thread. If we can keep to that, this thread will be different from several others focusing on Trump and/or impeachment. If not, there's no point to it and the mods should shut it down.
So, please, stick to that narrow focus. Try to avoid discussion of whether Donald Trump is stupid, or insane, or senile. He could be all of those, but they aren't the topic. Try to avoid discussions of whether it is politically wise to pursue impeachment, indictment, or any other legal remedy. Try to be aware that no matter how bad a policy is, whether it be racist, or stupid, or likely to cause a war, or cruel, or many other things that are said about Trump and his policies, none of those things matter in this thread unless they are also criminal.
ETA: My original was way too long. Let me make a much more concise summary now.
I don't believe he has committed either an ordinary crime for which he could be prosecuted, or a "high crime and misdemeanor" which ought to result in Senate conviction in an impeachment trial. Try to convince me I'm wrong.
I will preview my arguments by saying that I don't think the examples given in the Mueller Report could ever be used to gain a conviction on Obstruction of Justice. Specifically, the usual problem would be in establishing "corrupt intent".
I have a lot more to say about this subject, and if you read the OP in the few minutes between the time I posted it and the time I wrote this edit, you've seen some of it. For the rest of you, I spared you the wall of text, but I'll explain my reasoning if this thread works the way I want it to.
"The way I want it to" means no discussion about whether Trump is stupid, dangerous, insane, or senile. No discussion about whether he or his policies suck. No discussion about the political expedience of pursuing or not pursuing impeachment. I want a narrow focus on the strictly legal issues. Otherwise, it's just another Trump thread.
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