Since we are talking about morality and whether it is objective, I want to pose what I view is more interesting question. How did you decide that God was moral and good and Satan is immoral and bad?
Theists always ask me if we don't get our morals from the bible etc where do they come from? I think this is absurd because even the most devout pick and choose the rules from they follow. They may come up with a convoluted and always convenient explanations but they determine what is right and wrong, not their book.
Virtually no one today believes that owning people as property is morally right or that we should stone someone for working on the Sabbath or taking the Lord's name in vain. So they made the determination what is right and wrong and not their book. About the only thing the bible got right was the golden rule which can be found in most other religions including those that predate religion.
Which brings me to my question. How did we determine that God was good and moral and Satan was evil and immoral? I would like to suggest it very well may be the other way around.
God is petty and jealous. He toys with man and is violent and genocidal. Greatest description of God from my perspective is Pacino's description in The Devil's Advocate. Is it really moral to ask man to praise him simply because he may have created us? Theists, no Christians have suggested to me that God has the right to punish us if he wants because he is the creator. That is classic might makes right which in my view is intrinsically immoral.
About the only thing I see Satan does is try to get man to open his eyes and think for himself.
What do you think?
Theists always ask me if we don't get our morals from the bible etc where do they come from? I think this is absurd because even the most devout pick and choose the rules from they follow. They may come up with a convoluted and always convenient explanations but they determine what is right and wrong, not their book.
Virtually no one today believes that owning people as property is morally right or that we should stone someone for working on the Sabbath or taking the Lord's name in vain. So they made the determination what is right and wrong and not their book. About the only thing the bible got right was the golden rule which can be found in most other religions including those that predate religion.
Which brings me to my question. How did we determine that God was good and moral and Satan was evil and immoral? I would like to suggest it very well may be the other way around.
God is petty and jealous. He toys with man and is violent and genocidal. Greatest description of God from my perspective is Pacino's description in The Devil's Advocate. Is it really moral to ask man to praise him simply because he may have created us? Theists, no Christians have suggested to me that God has the right to punish us if he wants because he is the creator. That is classic might makes right which in my view is intrinsically immoral.
About the only thing I see Satan does is try to get man to open his eyes and think for himself.
What do you think?
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