Guns and the no-fly list.

So how exactly does a person end up on the no-fly list? If there are people wanting a new law which would deny a gun purchase to someone on the no-fly list, then a person should be indictable for some felony crime, right? But I suppose there needs to be some way of keeping people like Ted Kennedy and David Cole from walking out of a gun store with a legally purchased firearm.

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President Barack Obama said Saturday that it is "insane" that people who are not allowed to fly on planes are allowed to buy guns. "Right now, people on the No-Fly list can walk into a store and buy a gun. That is insane. If you're too dangerous to board a plane, you're too dangerous, by definition, to buy a gun," he said in his weekly address. "And so I'm calling on Congress to close this loophole, now. We may not be able to prevent every tragedy, but -- at a bare minimum -- we shouldn't be making it so easy for potential terrorists or criminals to get their hands on a gun that they could use against Americans."

I think the word loophole is going to be over-used to the point where it will become meaningless.

Wikipedia does not really say how a person ends up on the USA's no-fly list other than to say it is maintained by the Terrorist Screening Center. I don't suppose that if I end up on the list I'll be informed and allowed to contest it prior to it limiting my ability to travel.

The Huffington Post has an article on the list; http://ift.tt/1NzIisp but not all the links in the article work for me.

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Earlier this week, The Intercept published a 166-page document outlining the government's guidelines for placing people on an expansive network of terror watch lists, including the no-fly list. In their report, Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux highlighted the extremely vague and loosely defined criteria developed by 19 federal agencies, supposedly to fight terrorism. Using these criteria, government officials have secretly characterized an unknown number of individuals as threats or potential threats to national security. In 2013 alone, 468,749 watch-list nominations were submitted to the National Counterterrorism Center. It rejected only 1 percent of the recommendations. Critics say the system is bloated and imprecise, needlessly sweeping up thousands of people while simultaneously failing to catch legitimate threats, like Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

If this claim is accurate, I don't see Obama scoring any points with rational people when it comes to limiting civil rights to Americans.

At the risk of being called an NRA sycophant, the NRA is not the only group calling this "loophole" a crock of ****. http://ift.tt/1NzIlo4

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People who are placed on the government's no-fly list are denied their constitutional right to due process, because the government's procedures to challenge inclusion on the secretive roster are "wholly ineffective," a federal judge ruled.

How about we indict (thought crimes) the people on the no-fly list and update NICS so that they can't buy a gun from a dealer? Would that make people happy? Would that close the loophole Obama says exists?

Ranb

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